Ways to improve the Bash

[powerposey]

I have now been to the Bash all four years and it is my favorite GT out there. I know you love flattery but I thought I would start this thread on what could be done to improve the Bash.

This event has really changed. From the first year where we were stuck in a crowded small (and stinky) room to now having room to actually move around is a great improvement. Also the terrain has been getting better and better.

Please don't see these as negatives, the event is fantastic, but if I had to find ways to improve this event this is what I would do:

1) It seems every year there are less and less unpainted armies. This is a good thing, but it is still annoying to play against unpainted figs at such a large event. I have seen people playing that unpainted models fear painted models or that painted models hate unpainted models.

2) Scenario cards - I like the cards, and I don't like to just put a problem out there without a solution, but something is just missing. Either they didn't do anything (too much canceling) or they were a little overpowered (the magic one where the 1st 3 turns give you a miscast). I am biased since 4 of my 5 games someone used that magic card against me. Just because I used a Lev 4 Tzeentch with Gateway doesn't mean you have to spoil all of my fun

3) I like the final battle being a pitched battle, but maybe next year come up with some new custom scenarios. I always liked when people paint up objectives or messengers.

4) Speed up the match ups. I realize you are aware of this from your podcasts, and I think next year will be smoother.

5) I like how painting has a checklist, but is there a way to see that checklist. I know being a painting judge is a very thankless job and you have to put up with a lot. Maybe have 3 judges and get an average score. For the record I was very happy with my score, but I know some armies were painted much better than mine got the same score.

6) Have someone stand by me every game to remind me to use my Lucky Day. I think I haven't used one in 3 years now

Thank you for putting the time into this great event.

Tony

[Shimmergloom1x]

Apr 19, 2011 21:47:12 GMT -3 powerposey said:

1) It seems every year there are less and less unpainted armies. This is a good thing, but it is still annoying to play against unpainted figs at such a large event. I have seen people playing that unpainted models fear painted models or that painted models hate unpainted models.

I don't like this idea. Unpainted armies already really can't win anything. So my own personal opinion is that there is no need to discourage them more. I know some who don't come to the tourney, because of unpainted armies.

But I think those with unpainted armies who do come are probably more apt to be encouraged to paint their armies for the future than not. Usually seeing other armies painted is the best way to want to get your army painted as well.

But if you punish them even more for it, they just won't show up at all. And then won't ever see those other painted armies to begin with.

2) Scenario cards - I like the cards, and I don't like to just put a problem out there without a solution, but something is just missing. Either they didn't do anything (too much canceling) or they were a little overpowered (the magic one where the 1st 3 turns give you a miscast). I am biased since 4 of my 5 games someone used that magic card against me. Just because I used a Lev 4 Tzeentch with Gateway doesn't mean you have to spoil all of my fun

One thing about this, in the podcast it was said the card made miscasts on 1's 2's and 3's. But this wasn't what the card said. It said miscasts on 1's as well as 6's. But the 1's didn't make IF.

And I think these cards like that exist to keep people from just winning the tournament on a dice roll.

I think it was you that told me that the final winner of adepticon was decided by a 14 war machine list who shot his machines off in the top of turn 1 and won the game right then. Things like that shouldn't happen, just like a person shouldn't be able to fire off gateway in turn 1 and win the game on 2 dice. Or fly their vampire or DE sorc down the side of the table and shoot off purple sun across an army with their power scroll and win on turn 1. Or any of the other multitude of ways that GW has allowed into 8th edition.

The 14 war machine lists can be taken care of by organizers just not letting that list slip past them. The magic part though can't be done that way at all. Too many armies have access to those same super spells which can do all the work of those 14 war machines in one dice roll. You can't just disallow all those armies, so something else has to be done.

There's also a rumored magic expansion coming out this summer with an even MORE powerful spell deck and maybe even common monsters for multiple armies. If this is true and it's for the main game and not just a side expansion, then we need that card now more than ever for the next tourney.

[powerposey]

I respect your opinions, but there is a place for unpainted armies, and those are RTT's. I feel GT's should respect the hobby more, and I find it almost rude to show up with an unpainted army. It isn't that hard to slab together a few coats of paint on a model especially now with all the colored primers out there, and "dips". BB2 I think it was where an unpainted DoC army won, the whole army was just primed black, and still gets me mad just thinking about it. I don't want to scare off players, but I think the BB is now big enough that it doesn't need those armies. I feel bad for the armies that are half painted to a great standard, then the other half is unpainted. I don't mind those armies as much since I know the player is making an effort.

My card said miscast on 1,2, & 3's. Yes, I agree no one should win on a dice roll, but then again if you put all your eggs in one basket you deserve to get "Gatewayed" or any of the other #6 spells out there. I have no problem with that scenario card being used, just maybe for 1 turn of the player's choosing. Any one who knows me knows how much I despise a lot of magic, I mainly use Flickering Fire just for the flaming attacks. Gateway is nice, but relying on it FTW is just plain stupid. I wish there was a way to limit magic, but for now we just have to learn to cope with it.

The two times Gateway went off at the Bash I got a 100 NG unit with an Orc Warboss and I also got a 40 Gor horde as well. Neither one won me the game, but I can't say I didn't enjoy the look of horror on my opponents faces when it went off. The BM player even gave me the finger, but he warned me beforehand (thereby jinxing himself). It was all good.

I think the rumored expansion is optional, like Spearhead for 40K. Better for clubs and store leagues than for tournaments.

[Shimmergloom1x]

There must have been two sets of cards out there then.

The one time it was played against me, my opponent said it was double 1's and lauged cause I never rolled double 1's until turn 4 when it was no longer active. And when I played it, it was nullified, but it said double 1's.

Here's the post that Erik made about the rules:

brawlerbash.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=iv&action=display&thread=69 It said double 1's and double 6's in his post.

When you click the link for the rules attachment, it also says double 1's and double 6's.

So what was the deal, when they printed out the cards, did someone make an error, where some cards said one thing and others said another?